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tv   Book Discussion on Boosting Paychecks  CSPAN  July 14, 2014 1:00am-1:16am EDT

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50 years ago at the start of the great society program. he said he wanted equality as a result. he wanted equal outcomes. you're not going to get equal outcomes based on the human history not only in the u.s. or anywhere else. you are not going to get the perfectly racially proportionate outcomes of the type that left is pushing for. it's an unrealistic goal. .. that and that is something that black leaders of old used to understand. if you go back to frederick douglass or go back to the perky washington this is what they were saying. they were optimists. they said i think we are going to have them one day. but the more important job is to read the people and to be able to take advantage of those opportunities once we have been. and that has been the failure of liberalism in my mind.
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is that they have not prepared to blacks through the policies that they have pushed to take advantage. we have created a people that see themselves first and foremost as victim victims and t helpful and it has to change. >> host: so the liberals have helped to enable the community. >> guest: the worst aspect of the subculture that they have helped today. >> host: and also at the time when the minority group in this country will alternately wind up being the majority in the years to come soon but at the same time you are saying that african-americans should take the self-control responsibility that when you are talking about pulling the government away from this, where does the community come in? you talked about the
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barbershops. where do they come in? >> guest: the family has to be where you start. the breakdown of the family is a tragedy. it is slavery could do to the black family what these efforts over the past 50 years to help them have done. the black family has been utterly devastated by the attempts to help them and it's something i think that needs to be reversed as we were talking about earlier the outcomes without a black father in the home or involved in the kids upbringing are just devastating and that has to change. but again these are conversations that have to take place among blacks. they have to get their act together. i think the government can only do so much however and it is. >> host: i can guarantee those that are watching or listening or what have you either love to love you or hate to hate you. you're going to sell the book
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and the title of the book "please stop helping us how liberals make it harder for blacks to succeed," the title alone. the author, jason riley. mr. riley in the last few seconds, minutes, what would you like to say? >> guest: by the book. [laughter] >> host: beyond that. >> guest: take a look at the arguments with an open mind. take the left to task when they come to the black community in the name of helping the community with some of the same things that have been tried over and over again for the past five decades on the black unemployment rate despite the countless job programs and so forth. take them to task on the welfare benefits and the incentives they put in place and what it has done to the family and the culture of the dependency into the ghetto. ask questions.
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be skeptical. that is what they would do in particular. they want to see better outcomes than we have been getting in the current policies. >> host: even though they are controversial you back up your statements with those facts and it is a very interesting read and i thank you so much for your time. it has been very mind opening. i love to hear conversations from all sides and you have given me some interesting thoughts to ponder. once again, please stop helping us how liberals "are for blacks to succeed. thank you so much.
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>> >> host: daniel gitterman what do you teach? >> a large introductory
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course largely freshman's off more to hundred 75 kids with the broad overview of the federal level. >> host: how was the bill made? >> a little of at and the budget and taxes and spending then looked at substantive areas up close national security, health and safety. >> host: you have written a book as well the polictics of supporting america's working poor" "boosting paychecks" published by brookings and professor talk about income tax as the tool. >> the attitude tools that they talk about with the federal income tax their ways to take home data of america's workers one is the federal minimum wage pretax income that we have the
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debate about that right now. so now passing the executive order that requires all businesses and contracts to go through congress but with the minimum wage a number of decisions that the two that i talked the most about are the error did come tax credit and the child tax credit that extends well beyond middle americans as well but the focusymñ is the tools that reward and support work. >> host: going back to the history what was the original purpose? >> to raise revenue for all governments. >> of marietta of activity with the big increase to help finance our operation
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overseas but throat with that shield or to give a rebate and when it comes to family use the earned income tax credit is the one that gets the most attention. >> host: who came up with that? >> s maul provision in the house bill and there were two different versions on how to reward work in some way and that started as of small provision called the earned income credit in 1974. >> host: what is the effect over the years? >> you saw a number of expansion during the reagan years a of the biggest during the clinton in years and then they will claim the
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earned income tax credit is the bus poverty rejection mechanism for the dramatic increase is of poverty the maximum credit available that are just below the poverty line think about minimum-wage you know, makes $7.2540 hours so weak weak, that yields the income of $15,000. if you attached of maximum rebate to that family you could get the family of three or four above the federal poverty line and that is the real power it also has bipartisan support because not with cash assistance are rewards or supportsño. >> host: how many people in the west do not pay federal income tax?
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>> the numbers are large and contentious. with brookings and herb bin tasks -- tax policies say as much as one-third and there are some that pay very small federal income-tax is a and some paid zero and the contentious part of the earned income tax credit is when people get refunds below zero is essentially getting the cash payment or the refund that puts the tax liability bill those zero and republicans say that is backdoor welfare democrats say that is the only way to boost the pay check for the working poor families but that refundable part where you give people braved england dash rebates is where politics comes in and. >> host: when word minimum
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wage laws created? >> the first was 1938 initiated by fdr and that ever was to and he had put forth minimum wage of $0.80 an hour and to looking at a lumber and textiles tusis $0.22 per hour it has a genetic impact been through the a usual congressional process. they it period $0.25 an hour it is fargo the original proposal but he also asked a delegate authority through the nlrb called the affair of thing which standard board and that would set wages across the country and
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congress at that time with a strong coalition were not all that excited to delegate authorityáso they decided to keep control over wage setting them so sold beyond that point we were sure it would be a traditional already minimum-wage increase for a time and essentially if congress does not act and minimum-wage stays where it is then the rest of the world cost of living increases but the value and every effort to to index has also been if -- defeated. >> host: why? >> guest: there has been a small business lobby of
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firms that would be affected to them also concerned about deflationary pressures that is not something that happens automatically but the president could revisit with new evidence but we continue to fight about it every few years. >> host: since 1938 how often has the minimum wage and then increased? >> i think we saw the increase after 38 was 49. a long wait, the one into 55 but then under kennedy and johnson nixon reluctantly signed on ronald reagan was the only president never to
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use nine and increase of the minimum wage and the value, and then to cut a deal of house republicans that was instructive and has seen republican presidents signed onto the increase but not the house. land of minimum-wageis and then the house republicans to a deal in the house ways and means to affect the tax meld with of minimum-wage increase and democrats had to sign on to -- there was a bargain with the distribution and george bush actually signed the increase to new minimum-wage. the latest is still in effect from 2007 and
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democrats attached that to afghan and iraq spending bill in order to get that authorization for military activity abroad you had to accept the wage increase now with the obama if he does not get the increase in the remaining three years the first democrat since the new deal to not sign the minimum wage increase. >> host: currently $7 for defense cents per hour up at $10 and cents that is the big increase? >> it is hard to tell the coz the engage of how many years have gone by a to look at the of magnitude it was at 725 since 2009 but historically they never do one big jump but they phase it is and to minimize the impact so my guess is looking


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